Re: Vallery's analysis of grism spectra (fwd)

From: Rachel G. (gibbo@panisse.lbl.gov)
Date: Wed Dec 10 2003 - 18:03:34 PST

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    PS I do have a plot overlaying the HST and ground-based
    spectra already, let me find that.

    On Wed, 10 Dec 2003, Chris Lidman wrote:

    > Opps, I forgot the attachment.
    >
    > C.
    >
    > Vallery Stanishev wrote:
    >
    > > Dear All,
    > >
    > > The document I wrote was not meant to be a complete description
    > > of the reduction or complete analysis. And apparently there
    > > are some points that are not clear.
    > >
    > > About Rachel's comment #2. Yes, I first flat-field the images,
    > > and then subtract the background and extract the spectra.
    > >
    > > About #3. Before combining Riess' images I shifted them
    > > according to what is given in the fits headers. Here by
    > > 'shift' I do mean sub-pixel shift. I did this with IRAF's
    > > IMSHIFT, which allows sub-pixel shifts.
    > > Perhaps this is not the best way to handle this, but since
    > > the software to deal ACS/grism dithered images is not
    > > out yet I used IRAF.
    > >
    > > About the dithering, sub-pixels, etc.. Riess' images were
    > > dithered by a few pixels only. On all 16 images the SN was
    > > within a square of 20x20 pixels. I also don't know if this
    > > is large enough to start seeing differences in the wavelength
    > > calibration (but this may be tracked down form the field dependence
    > > of the wavelength solution given in the aXe's conf. file).
    > > My guess would be that this 20-pixels shift is
    > > fairly small to affect the wavelength calibration and hence
    > > the flux calibration of Riess' spectrum.
    > >
    > > I agree that the point of doing sub-pixel dithering is
    > > to improve the resolution. If the software to handle such
    > > data is about to be released we can use sub-pixel dithering.
    > > However, I'm not quite sure that the spectral resolution is
    > > of big concern for us. Given the broad SN features, especially
    > > at z>1, a spectral resolution of ~90A seems to be enough to type the
    > > object and to get the redshift with reasonable accuracy.
    > > Moreover, for these very faint high-redshift SNe the S/N
    > > will not be high and we shouldn't hope to get something
    > > more than that. I would be more concerned about bad pixels
    > > and in this aspect I think that integer pixels dithering
    > > should be enough.
    > >
    > > Regards,
    > > Vallery
    > >
    > > Rachel G. wrote:
    > > >>As Vallery points out, there is a discrepancy with Adam's spectrum,
    > > >>especially on the red end. Please send comments to Vallery and cc to
    > > >>this mail list - hstsearch@lbl.gov.
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > Two immediate comments on Vallery's conclusions
    > > > regarding Riess' data:
    > > >
    > > > 1. We should be able to handle sub-pixel dithered data. It
    > > > isn't an easy problem, but there is existing software that
    > > > can properly handle such data. I can look into this.
    > > >
    > > > 2. The background subtraction is an important step.
    > > > Remember flat-fielding is wavelength dependent, so the
    > > > background you subtract has to be flattened properly as
    > > > well. This could very well be the source of some of the
    > > > differences with Riess' reduction (along with #1).
    > > >
    > > > 3. The correlated noise you see in your shift and add
    > > > of Riess' data cannot be directly compared to a straight
    > > > sum. If you simply sum Riess' data ignoring image shifts,
    > > > you should find the data have better SNR than ours (although
    > > > they could have been taken when background levels were
    > > > higher). But even in the present sum, one can see Riess'
    > > > spectrum has more interesting structure (features) than do
    > > > ours.
    > > >
    > > > Definitely summing sub-pixel dithered data has to be
    > > > handled more carefully.
    > > >
    > > > In addition, Given there looks to be a bit of a lull
    > > > in the search planning (for a few days perhaps) I will
    > > > finish my write-up of the reductions and analysis I did.
    > > > The details of how this stuff is done is important and I
    > > > suggest we compare results before moving on.
    > > >
    > > > Rachel
    > > >
    >



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