Re: Vallery's analysis of grism spectra (fwd)

From: Rachel G. (gibbo@panisse.lbl.gov)
Date: Thu Dec 11 2003 - 09:21:57 PST

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    Hello Vallery,

            Could you also send me which ground-based spectra
    you used? I'm pretty sure I don't have the best reductions.

    Rachel

    On Thu, 11 Dec 2003, Vallery Stanishev wrote:

    > Hi Rachel,
    >
    > Please find attached the ascii files I used for the figures.
    > I found that 1 pixel shift to the red gives a better match to the
    > ground-based spectra. I don't know where this might have come from.
    >
    > Cheers,
    > Vallery
    >
    >
    > Rachel G. wrote:
    > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
    > > Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 16:49:24 -0800 (PST)
    > > From: Rachel G. <gibbo@jimbean.lbl.gov>
    > > Reply-To: Rachel G. <ragibbons@lbl.gov>
    > > To: Chris Lidman <clidman@eso.org>
    > > Cc: Vallery Stanishev <vall@physto.se>, Rachel G. <ragibbons@lbl.gov>,
    > > scpexec@lbl.gov, Andy Howell <howell@astro.utoronto.ca>
    > > Subject: Re: Vallery's analysis of grism spectra
    > >
    > >
    > > Hi Chris and Vallery,
    > >
    > > One thing Vallery and I really should also do is
    > > compare our reductions with each other -- especially since
    > > we reduced the data somewhat differently. Vallery, if you
    > > could send your spectra to me, that would be good. I should
    > > find time over the next few days to look at this once
    > > another version of our observing plan for the HST search
    > > goes out (should happen Friday).
    > >
    > > Thanks,
    > >
    > > Rachel
    > >
    > > On Wed, 10 Dec 2003, Chris Lidman wrote:
    > >
    > >
    > >>Opps, I forgot the attachment.
    > >>
    > >>C.
    > >>
    > >>Vallery Stanishev wrote:
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>>Dear All,
    > >>>
    > >>>The document I wrote was not meant to be a complete description
    > >>>of the reduction or complete analysis. And apparently there
    > >>>are some points that are not clear.
    > >>>
    > >>>About Rachel's comment #2. Yes, I first flat-field the images,
    > >>>and then subtract the background and extract the spectra.
    > >>>
    > >>>About #3. Before combining Riess' images I shifted them
    > >>>according to what is given in the fits headers. Here by
    > >>>'shift' I do mean sub-pixel shift. I did this with IRAF's
    > >>>IMSHIFT, which allows sub-pixel shifts.
    > >>>Perhaps this is not the best way to handle this, but since
    > >>>the software to deal ACS/grism dithered images is not
    > >>>out yet I used IRAF.
    > >>>
    > >>>About the dithering, sub-pixels, etc.. Riess' images were
    > >>>dithered by a few pixels only. On all 16 images the SN was
    > >>>within a square of 20x20 pixels. I also don't know if this
    > >>>is large enough to start seeing differences in the wavelength
    > >>>calibration (but this may be tracked down form the field dependence
    > >>>of the wavelength solution given in the aXe's conf. file).
    > >>>My guess would be that this 20-pixels shift is
    > >>>fairly small to affect the wavelength calibration and hence
    > >>>the flux calibration of Riess' spectrum.
    > >>>
    > >>>I agree that the point of doing sub-pixel dithering is
    > >>>to improve the resolution. If the software to handle such
    > >>>data is about to be released we can use sub-pixel dithering.
    > >>>However, I'm not quite sure that the spectral resolution is
    > >>>of big concern for us. Given the broad SN features, especially
    > >>>at z>1, a spectral resolution of ~90A seems to be enough to type the
    > >>>object and to get the redshift with reasonable accuracy.
    > >>>Moreover, for these very faint high-redshift SNe the S/N
    > >>>will not be high and we shouldn't hope to get something
    > >>>more than that. I would be more concerned about bad pixels
    > >>>and in this aspect I think that integer pixels dithering
    > >>>should be enough.
    > >>>
    > >>>Regards,
    > >>>Vallery
    > >>>
    > >>>Rachel G. wrote:
    > >>>
    > >>>>>As Vallery points out, there is a discrepancy with Adam's spectrum,
    > >>>>>especially on the red end. Please send comments to Vallery and cc to
    > >>>>>this mail list - hstsearch@lbl.gov.
    > >>>>
    > >>>>
    > >>>>Two immediate comments on Vallery's conclusions
    > >>>>regarding Riess' data:
    > >>>>
    > >>>>1. We should be able to handle sub-pixel dithered data. It
    > >>>>isn't an easy problem, but there is existing software that
    > >>>>can properly handle such data. I can look into this.
    > >>>>
    > >>>>2. The background subtraction is an important step.
    > >>>>Remember flat-fielding is wavelength dependent, so the
    > >>>>background you subtract has to be flattened properly as
    > >>>>well. This could very well be the source of some of the
    > >>>>differences with Riess' reduction (along with #1).
    > >>>>
    > >>>>3. The correlated noise you see in your shift and add
    > >>>>of Riess' data cannot be directly compared to a straight
    > >>>>sum. If you simply sum Riess' data ignoring image shifts,
    > >>>>you should find the data have better SNR than ours (although
    > >>>>they could have been taken when background levels were
    > >>>>higher). But even in the present sum, one can see Riess'
    > >>>>spectrum has more interesting structure (features) than do
    > >>>>ours.
    > >>>>
    > >>>> Definitely summing sub-pixel dithered data has to be
    > >>>>handled more carefully.
    > >>>>
    > >>>> In addition, Given there looks to be a bit of a lull
    > >>>>in the search planning (for a few days perhaps) I will
    > >>>>finish my write-up of the reductions and analysis I did.
    > >>>>The details of how this stuff is done is important and I
    > >>>>suggest we compare results before moving on.
    > >>>>
    > >>>>Rachel
    > >>>>
    > >>>
    > >
    > >
    >
    >
    > --
    > ********************************************************
    > Dr. Vallery Stanishev
    > Department of Physics, Stockholm University
    > AlbaNova University Center, 106 91 Stockholm, SWEDEN
    > tel: +46 8 55378757 fax: +46 8 55378601
    >
    > vall@physto.se
    > vall_1@yahoo.com
    > ********************************************************
    >
    >



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