Re: U-B color alert, feedback solicitation

From: Serena Nobili (serena@lpnhep.in2p3.fr)
Date: Fri Dec 17 2004 - 06:30:30 PST

  • Next message: Vitaliy Fadeyev: "Re: U-B color alert, feedback solicitation"

    Dear Vitaliy, (and Alex)

    thanks for the answer. I think I understand your plots better now.
    I have a couple of questions:

    1. which is the second outlier SN you exclude from Jha's plot?

    2. I believe now, that the first point is 1999Y, because that should have
    the right stretch factor. I could try to implement the 6 other SNe used by
    Jha in my analysis if someone has the data. I have seen that Alex Conley
    uses 2001V in the CMAGIC paper.

    **Alex, do you have the data for these 6 SNe in the snminuit format?

    For the linear versus exponential stretch-color relation, I agree they
    both work well in the U-B vs s(U) plot (especially given the scatter of
    the data), once the first point (s ~0.6) is excluded. It is too bad that
    we rely on 1 point only to define the relation function. In this moment I
    do not see any reasons why the relation should be the same in all colours,
    so the behavior of B-V vs stretch does not help to define the one of U-B.
    Am I missing something important?

    Cheers

          Serena

    PS. I am still not able to use the Twiki...could you put
    this email in the web, in case you think it is useful, while we are
    fixing my *relationship* with the Twiki...Thanks.

    On Thu, 16 Dec 2004, Vitaliy Fadeyev wrote:

    >
    > Dear Serena,
    >
    > thanks for your reply and considerations.
    >
    > Regarding the TWiki registration, it would be best to concact
    > our administrator with a description of the problem. His address is
    > Vladimir Eberman <eberman@mh1.lbl.gov>.
    >
    > For now, I just posted your email to the page
    > http://supernova.lbl.gov:8080/twiki/bin/view/Albinoni/EmailFromSerena
    > Hope this is ok.
    >
    > In response to your questions I posted some text and plots to the
    > following link
    > http://supernova.lbl.gov:8080/twiki/bin/view/Albinoni/JhaSneTruncated
    >
    > Cheers,
    > vitaliy
    >
    >
    > Serena Nobili wrote:
    >
    > >Dear Vitaliy,
    > >
    > >as you know I am also working on my own on this issue and I can probably
    > >help in messing up even more this complicated topic. I want to stress,
    > >however, once again I am using the *real* data to compute the colours and
    > >not the results of a lightcurve fit (the same as in Nobili et al 2003), as
    > >I believe is the case of all the plots you put in the wiki. Moreover, I
    > >am fitting a linear relation of colours with the B-band stretch. My
    > >finding, however, is similar to yours:
    > >
    > > (U-B)_tBmax = -0.47 for s(B)=1
    > >
    > >The attached plot shows the result of my fit in a time bin of -1<t<1 days.
    > >The fit is actually done on the whole time and stretch together,
    > >e.g. without binning the data. The plot has been made only for comparison
    > >with yours. Also, as I said above, the points plotted are the real data,
    > >only for SN which were observed both in U and B at the same epoch (the two
    > >points at the same stretch value are the same SN observed twice in this
    > >time interval).
    > >
    > >I have some questions and comments about your plots, in particular U-B vs
    > >S(U). First, the exponential function you fit on the plot is mainly
    > >determined by the point at very low stretch (s ~ 0.6) which I believe is
    > >sn1997cn. Is this correct? If you take that point away, a linear relation
    > >would work quite well to fit the data. I am personally not including this
    > >SN in the analysis, also due to the difference of 0.15 mag , also
    > >discussed by Jha in the thesis, with the U-band published by Turatto et
    > >al. for the same SN.
    > >
    > >On the same line, there is another object, SN1997bp, whose U-band was
    > >published by Altavilla et al 2004 (same group as Turatto), for which the
    > >discrepancy with Jha is ~0.2-0.3 mag. So, it might be dangerous to include
    > >this SN in your fit. Other 2 SNe, SN1997br and SN1999aa, also observed in
    > >U-band by Altavilla et al. are quite in agreement with Jha's
    > >measurements.
    > >
    > >I hope I helped the discussion.
    > >Cheers,
    > >
    > > Serena
    > >
    > >PS. I apology for sending the file instead of adding it in the TWiki
    > >page. I tried to register, but it does not like my name so I was unable to
    > >do so (although I did use SerenaNobili). Can someone help me with that?
    > >
    > >
    > >On Wed, 15 Dec 2004, Vitaliy Fadeyev wrote:
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >>Dear SCPers,
    > >>
    > >>the following TWiki page describes a color treatment for Albinoni analysis.
    > >>Since the topic is relevant for other on-going analyses, and also
    > >>because there
    > >>is a difference with the color assumed in Knop 03 paper, we call your
    > >>attention
    > >>to the issue, and solicit feedback.
    > >>
    > >>Direct link to TWiki page:
    > >>http://supernova.lbl.gov:8080/twiki/bin/view/Albinoni/ANoteOnColor
    > >>
    > >>Instruction on how to access the SCP TWiki are here:
    > >>http://supernova.lbl.gov/collab/
    > >>
    > >>Cheers,
    > >>vitaliy
    > >>
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