Re: new template - 1999Q

From: Vitaliy Fadeyev (VAFadeyev@lbl.gov)
Date: Fri Jun 11 2004 - 09:41:12 PDT

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    Hi Greg and Serena,

    I might have a bug in the fitting procedure. I'm looking into this right
    now.

    About the snminuit -- it fits a lightcurve data to a combination of proper
    bandpass template and corresponding k-correction. The bandpass templates
    have not changed in recent past. The k-corrections are going to depend
    on the supplied spectral template, of course.

    vitaliy

    Greg Aldering wrote:

    >Hi Vitaliy,
    >
    >I looked at the various fits you made for 99qQ with an eye towards
    >understanding why the peak magnitudes change so much (well outside the
    >quoted uncertainties) when the discovery point is added. I figured that
    >the the poorer chi^2 when this point is added were likely caused by this
    >point being fit poorly.
    >
    >However, this discovery point fits just fine! Instead it appears that the
    >new lightcurve parameters from R->B then make the I->V fits worse. In the
    >case of Peter's template, the poor fit is due to a weird drop in the
    >template lightcurve at late times, which completely misses the HST point.
    >
    >Overall, I was struck by the highly structured (not smooth) shape of the
    >templates we are now fitting. The B-band template has a straight - rather
    >than rounded - pre-max face, and the templates are very pointy near
    >maximum (especially in V-band). Serena's V-band template as plotted on
    >these fits appears to have some numerical artifacts near max (the 2nd
    >derivative is discontinuous), and as mentioned above there is a spurious
    >"shelf" at late times in the Peter template.
    >
    >A question for the group then is do all the lightcurve fits we are now
    >performing have these highly-structured template lightcurves? If so, is
    >this structure thought to be real or due to artifacts in the construction
    >of the templates? Perhaps this has more to do with how SNminuit is
    >interpolating the lightcurves?
    >
    >Signed,
    >
    >Curious Greg
    >
    >
    >On Thu, 10 Jun 2004, Vitaliy Fadeyev wrote:
    >
    >
    >
    >>Dear Serena,
    >>
    >>please find the results below. For comparison, I show the snminuit runs
    >>for Robs' template, new "precise" Peter template (supplied by Rollin),
    >>and the one supplied by you.
    >>
    >>Cases are:
    >>
    >>1R - HST only, Rob's template
    >>1P - HST only, Peter's template
    >>1S - HST only, Serena's template
    >>2R - HST and discovery point, Rob's template
    >>2P - HST and discovery point, Peter's template
    >>2S - HST and discovery point, Serena's template
    >>3R - HST and discovery point, tmax fixed to Tonry's, Rob's template
    >>3P - HST and discovery point, tmax fixed to Tonry's, Peter's template
    >>3S - HST and discovery point, tmax fixed to Tonry's, Serena's template
    >>
    >>SNMINUIT output table:
    >>case m_B dm_R m_B_corr dm_B_corr s ds chisq dof m_R kcorr_R kcorr_I tmax dtmax R-I d(R-I)
    >>
    >>1R 22.82 0.06 23.02 0.16 1.117 0.054 5.29 8 22.06 -0.764 -0.310 2451186.54 1.444 -0.054 0.074
    >>1P 22.36 0.05 22.45 0.13 1.035 0.044 5.74 8 21.66 -0.702 -0.189 2451178.16 1.676 0.005 0.049
    >>1S 22.63 0.04 22.77 0.13 1.074 0.046 4.13 8 22.04 -0.585 -0.297 2451186.90 1.497 0.121 0.061
    >>
    >>2R 23.14 0.02 23.34 0.07 1.119 0.032 9.95 9 22.24 -0.902 -0.419 2451191.83 0.853 -0.188 0.035
    >>2P 23.36 0.02 23.57 0.08 1.119 0.033 13.86 9 22.22 -1.140 -0.538 2451192.44 0.729 -0.414 0.031
    >>2S 23.08 0.02 23.34 0.09 1.162 0.038 14.61 9 22.26 -0.826 -0.484 2451191.26 0.878 -0.115 0.042
    >>
    >>3R 23.22 0.02 23.31 0.06 1.040 0.022 26.92 10 22.23 -0.986 -0.484 2451194.65 0.000 -0.269 0.031
    >>3P 23.41 0.02 23.52 0.05 1.056 0.017 24.92 10 22.22 -1.186 -0.575 2451194.65 0.000 -0.459 0.029
    >>3S 23.20 0.01 23.33 0.05 1.065 0.018 34.39 10 22.25 -0.943 -0.574 2451194.65 0.000 -0.228 0.029
    >>
    >>
    >>The snminuit plots are here:
    >>(case 1R) http://www-physics.lbl.gov/~fadeyev/snminuit_sn1999q_HSTonly.ps
    >>(case 1P) http://www-physics.lbl.gov/~fadeyev/snminuit_sn1999q_HSTonly_uberPeter.ps
    >>(case 1S) http://www-physics.lbl.gov/~fadeyev/snminuit_sn1999q_HSTonly_uberSerena.ps
    >>(case 2R) http://www-physics.lbl.gov/~fadeyev/snminuit_sn1999q_HSTdisc.ps
    >>(case 2P) http://www-physics.lbl.gov/~fadeyev/snminuit_sn1999q_HSTdisc_uberPeter.ps
    >>(case 2S) http://www-physics.lbl.gov/~fadeyev/snminuit_sn1999q_HSTdisc_uberSerena.ps
    >>(case 3R) http://www-physics.lbl.gov/~fadeyev/snminuit_sn1999q_HSTdisc_fixtmax.ps
    >>(case 3P) http://www-physics.lbl.gov/~fadeyev/snminuit_sn1999q_HSTdisc_fixtmax_uberPeter.ps
    >>(case 3S) http://www-physics.lbl.gov/~fadeyev/snminuit_sn1999q_HSTdisc_fixtmax_uberSerena.ps
    >>
    >>I should note that cases 1P and 1S took a lot of time to converge.
    >>Cases 3R,3P,3S have fairly large Chi^2 due to the late-time behaviour
    >>being somewhat incompatible with the assumed tmax from Tonry.
    >>
    >>Cheers,
    >>vitaliy
    >>
    >>
    >>Serena Nobili wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>>Dear Vitaliy (cc SCPexec),
    >>>
    >>>as you probably know, a new set of spectral template has been produced by
    >>>Peter Nugent so to solve some problems of the I-band paper. I have been
    >>>working to color correct them (see attachment) repeating the analysis done
    >>>in Nobili et al. 2003. I would like to ask you if you could run SNminuit
    >>>to fit the B and V- band lightcurve of 1999Q using the new templates. This
    >>>should close the analysis and maybe give us a better understanding of this
    >>>SN. I hope this will not be too much work for you. Please, let me know if
    >>>you think you don't have the time to work on it right now. Thank you very
    >>>much for your help.
    >>>Cheers,
    >>>
    >>> Serena
    >>>
    >>>
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    >>
    >>
    >
    >
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