Re: April IAUC as sent to Dan Green.

From: Rachel A. Gibbons (ragibbons@lbl.gov)
Date: Mon May 03 2004 - 14:30:56 PDT

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    From Dan Green, Re: our circular submission.

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    Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 14:36:27 -0400 (EDT)
    From: Dan Green <dgreen@cfa.harvard.edu>
    To: RAGibbons@lbl.gov
    Cc: green@cfa.harvard.edu
    Subject: faint supernova suspects

    Hi, Rachel. Here's the scoop. As you may or may not have heard,
    there's been considerable discussion between the Central Bureau
    and the supernova community over the last year or two regarding
    giving (or not giving) supernova designations to very faint
    objects that are not confirmed spectroscopically as supernovae.
    The basic questions are: (1) does it skew the statistics of
    supernovae with designations in unknown and unuseful ways, and (2)
    does it serve any useful purpose to treat them like confirmed
    supernovae? We developed basic requirements for brighter supernovae
    that we have stuck to for years (as noted at the CBAT website),
    and these state that one must have either two nights of data or
    spectroscopic confirmation (or both). While it has been argued
    that lack of motion in 45 minutes of HST imaging generally
    (but not absolutely) precludes the objects being in the solar system
    (a possible exception being if a distant transneptunian object
    were near a stationary point), the new IAU Working Group on
    Supernovae (WGS) accepted a proposal that I helped to develop whereby
    a new webpage co-established and co-hosted by CBAT and WGS would
    be created for such problem "unconfirmed supernova candidates",
    in which a preliminary "official" designation will be given for
    reference and the data would be posted promptly on the webpage for
    the community to have access to. This webpage was to have been
    developed by the end of 2003, but this did not happen.
         So what we decided to do last week was to create a temporary
    webpage now, in which your objects would be posted with the new
    provisional designations (along with some other objects). I hope
    to have this up and running sometime this week, and will let you
    know when I get there. We'll then formally announce the creation
    of the new webpage on an IAU Circular (also this week). The
    forthcoming CBAT/WGS webpage will permit interactive posting by
    the actual observers/discoverers (who will have to apply for and
    be placed on a list of allowed users, so that not just any hacker
    off the street can post to it), but the temporary webpage that I'll
    put up this week will be entirely maintained by me (i.e., nonautomatic
    and noninteractive). For any objects that are confirmed
    (spectroscopically or otherwise) as supernovae, they will then
    be removed from this unconfirmed-objects webpage, given formal
    permanent supernova designations, and announced on IAU Circulars
    as usual.

    Hope this all sounds reasonable to you. I'll be in touch within
    a few days. (Nobody is likely to observe these objects anyway
    right now, with full moon tomorrow).

    Kind regards,
    Dan

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    Daniel W. E. Green [dgreen@cfa.harvard.edu]
    Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics
    Cambridge, MA 02138, U.S.A.



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