Re: April IAUC

From: Rachel G. (gibbo@panisse.lbl.gov)
Date: Wed Apr 14 2004 - 20:14:15 PDT

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    Lou,

        Thanks for your prompt (and thorough) reply. I suppose
    you can tell I haven't dealt with an IAUC before. Just a
    quick response to something I can answer immediately about
    candidates we left out. "Pine" and "Mahogony" both are
    on-core (whatever that means for these galaxies) events and
    might, therefore, make it difficult to convince people
    they're not AGN activity, but I don't actually have any
    other good reason to not include them. I remember now we
    weren't sure what to make of "Cobi" because there was
    nothing in our subtractions at the position you gave us.
    Tomorrow morning I can make a postage stamp for you of what
    we looked at. The coordinates we had for that one were:
    (RA, Dec) = (12:36:06.5, +62:12:53.2).

    Rachel

    On Wed, 14 Apr 2004, Louis Strolger wrote:

    > Hi Rachel,
    >
    > I think there are a few things that should be changed before it is
    > submitted.
    >
    > You should probably remove the Host types, photo-z's, and possibly i'
    > magnitudes. The galaxy type is very complicated, e. g. how do you apply
    > Hubble type to galaxies at these redshifts? There are a few other, more
    > indicative ways to classify galaxies at these redshifts and to compare
    > them to samples at low redshift, e. g. Concentration- asymmetry and
    > GALFIT parameters. This information should go into a paper when it is
    > throughly done. The phot-z's are often accurate, but generally
    > imprecise. We'll (you'll) get better redshift information in the
    > future, and that too should go in a paper. You probably don't want
    > imprecise info to appear in print, and then have some referee call you
    > on inconsistencies in the future. Also, people can (and probably will)
    > guess at the SN type from the info you've given, and more dangerously,
    > try and determine cosmological parameters before you've had a chance
    > to. For example, acs04-181 with a phot-z of 1.52, z ~ 25.7, and i-z~1
    > sounds like a SN Ia at max! You've given a redshift and a measured
    > magnitude, which I can turn into a distance and calculate a cosmology.
    > i' magnitudes are not necessary.
    >
    > You probably want to add N-E offsets (from the hosts in individual
    > columns), UT Date/time of discovery, magnitude limits (and mean UT) in
    > the template image. Also, an additional decimal place in coordinate
    > precision (the offsets are 1/100th of 1 arcsec, perhaps the coordinates
    > should be 1/10 of 1 arcsec?). These things are in every IAU and Dan
    > Green will demand that they are present. Also, I think there should be
    > some statements on how these SNe were discovered. It should be
    > mentioned that the SNe were found through difference imaging, and that
    > the SNe were detected (to > 5 sigma ?) in each of the independent
    > dithered exposures (total exposure time of ~3200 sec spanning ~1 hour
    > of acquisition). It would also be a good idea to say something about
    > why we believe these are SNe and not solar system objects or AGN, as we
    > do not have spectroscopic confirmation for any of these (this was an
    > early stumbling block with Dan, and could alleviate a similar problem
    > for this new announcement).
    > A good example of an IAUC announcement can be found on
    > http://cfa-www.harvard.edu/iauc/07900/07981.html
    >
    > There are also other SNe that didn't make your announcement. We have,
    > in addition to these 10, three others:
    >
    > Cobi 12:38:06.3 +62:12:53.38
    > Pine 12:37:06.7 +62:21:17.82
    > Mahogany 12:37:22.7 +62:09:35.75
    >
    > Can these be included? Please also check your coordinates. At least Adu
    > and Beckenbaurer were inconsistent with what I have.
    >
    >
    > Lastly, is it possible to reduce the number of names associated with
    > this announcement? Clearly there are individuals who should be credited
    > for these discoveries, the P.I. (Saul), and anyone who directly
    > participated in either reducing the data or combing thought it for SNe
    > (e. g. yourself, Rob, Tony, etc.). But adding too many credits will
    > just force Dan to edit this list himself, and I don't think you want
    > that.
    >
    > On our end, the credit should be as follows: A. Riess, L. Strolger, H.
    > Ferguson, T. Dahlen (STScI), and P. Challis (CfA). There are others,
    > but for the sake of brevity, this should probably be enough.
    >
    > --------------
    >
    > > Supernovae Discovered with ACS on 2-4 April 2004
    > >
    > > R. Gibbons (LBL) and A. Riess (STScI), on behalf of
    > > [ADD NAMES ADAM GIVES ME]
    > > G. Aldering, A. Conley, M. Doi, V. Fadeyev, A. Fruchter, G. Goldhaber,
    > > A. Goobar, N. Kashikawa, R. Knop, M. Kowalski, N. Kuznetsova, T.
    > > Morokuma,
    > > S. Perlmutter, A. Spadafora, V. Stanishev, L. Wang, and N. Yasuda,
    > > report
    > > the discovery of 10 supernovae found with the Advanced Camera for
    > > Surveys
    > > (ACS) on the Hubble Space Telescope during the period 02-04 April 2004.
    > > Deep F850LP (z'-band) and F775W (i'-band) imaging taken of the GOODS
    > > HDF-N
    > > field were compared with the one year old GOODS survey data. The
    > > search
    > > limiting Vega magnitudes were z'=26.2 and i'=26.5. B. Mobasher
    > > provided
    > > host galaxy photometric redshifts and host galaxy types based on
    > > results
    > > from the GOODS survey. We report only those events with magnitudes and
    > > colors which are consistent with the photometric redshifts. Supernova
    > > are
    > > sorted by right ascension.
    > >
    > > R.A. Decl. z' i' host host
    > > for easy IDing
    > > (J2000) (J2000) (Vega) (Vega) offset photo-z host type
    > > by Lou and Adam
    > > ---------- --------- ------ ------ ------ -------
    > > ---------------- ---------------
    > > acs04-193 12:36:20.0 +62:13:48 25.1 25.5 0.13'' 0.54 late-type
    > > spiral "Maradona"
    > > acs04-177 12:36:20.9 +62:10:20 25.4 26.3 0.67'' 1.10 irregular
    > > "Adu"
    > > acs04-176 12:36:25.9 +62:09:38 23.7 ** 0.64'' 0.74? irregular
    > > "Pele"
    > > acs04-194 12:36:27.2 +62:15:10 24.4 25.1 0.24'' 0.74 elliptical
    > > "Chinalia"
    > > acs04-185 12:36:29.3 +62:11:42 24.4 24.3 0.07'' ?? irregular
    > > "Beckenbauer"
    > > acs04-186 12:36:46.1 +62:16:26 25.8 ** 0.16'' 0.61 ?
    > > acs04-181 12:36:49.4 +62:16:05 24.9 25.7 0.03'' 1.52 Sa/Sb
    > > acs04-076 12:37:09.4 +62:22:16 25.1 26.5 0.82'' 1.61 elliptical
    > > "Zamorano"
    > > acs04-197 12:37:21.2 +62:09:36 25.7 >26.5 0.13'' 0.72 starburst
    > > "Teak"
    > > acs04-195 12:38:03.5 +62:17:13 24.7 25.2 1.02'' 0.53 Sa/Sb
    > > "Salas"
    > >
    > > ** i' band data not available
    > >
    > > Photometric redshifts are generally known to better than +/-0.3 (95%
    > > confidence). "?" or "??" denote redshifts or host types which are less
    > > well constrained.
    > >
    > >
    >
    >
    >
    > -----
    > Louis-Gregory Strolger
    > STScI
    >



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